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Mike
2 months ago

Glad to see all those practically new Pro-V1’s that I’ve found fit my game fairly well!
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PoolBrews
3 months ago

Why don’t the numbers for the table data and the graphic image numbers for the top 10 match? I’m looking at data for the low swing speed, and every single number listed for distance in the graphic does not match the data displayed in the raw data table. It’s close, but not equal.
Is there a reason for the discrepancy?
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Tom S.
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> In our two previous tests, we used 8-irons for our mid-iron tests. For this test (and likely moving forward), we used 7-irons.
Is a 7 really a mid-iron any more? In a world where 4 irons are disappearing from sets (in favor of hybrids), so a lot of people carry only two iron clubs longer than a 7.
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Love them with you do. Before I buy any equipment, I research your site and then get fit. Best combo for finding the right gear.
One question about golf ball testing, does a particular ball roll/increase curves of making putts? Does one roll better than another, etc.
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Jeff Cook
5 months ago

Hey folks. I sent a note earlier but got no reply. I am wondering why the Trufeel did not end up on the recommended list for slow swing speed. In the data chart it appears to be one of the longest with low driver spin and higher iron spin. My E12 Contact has been discontinued and I am looking for my next ball. Thanks so much
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I was pleasantly surprised to see Trufeel in there as I have been pleasantly surprised by its distance however its flight height & chipping feel were not ideal. Great value though.
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7 months ago

Maxfli proports is identifies Center of Gravity on each ball and marks it with the side logo. Have you ever tested the validity of their premise? Can you or did you test for dispersion aligning the stripe versus random placement on the tee?
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7 months ago

Ah, the tyranny of numbers. 35 yard wedge: at the top we have TM Tp5 and Wilson Staff X spinning at about 6000 rpm. Difference between carry and total distance about 6 yards. At the bottom we have TM Speedsoft and Titleist Velocity spinning about 3000-4000 rpm less. Difference b/n carry and total distance….about 6 yards (the Speedsoft even clocked in at 5.5 yards). Destroys debate about effectiveness of spin for chips and low/mid range pitches. As the data proves – there is NO DIFFERENCE
Better results for mid swing speed mid iron; Titleist Tour Soft and Srixon Z Star Diamond spinning at ~6750 rpm and diff b/n carry and total is 7-8 yards. Callaway Supersoft and ERC spinning at ~5450 (1300 rpm less) and difference is about 10 yards. All four had descent angles of about 44 degrees. Doesn’t seem like that much to me
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Jason Shipley
3 months ago

There is a huge difference in feel, launch angle, spin rate and player
skill. Your not going to hit a Velocity 12 feet off the ground and have it drop and stop, which is easy to do with the right techniques and a Pro-V1x. Also A proV 1x off of a driver launches high with very low spin creating excellent distance off the tee yet spins more than most with a wedge. That a pretty good engineering trick thats a big reason why its a players ball. Ther are alot of shots you cant use a soft feel ball to do, usually starting with low spin on green side shots.
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Lee
7 months ago

You know what would be fun? Add new and heavily used range balls into the mix.
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jim
7 months ago

I’m having trouble finding the dispersion chart in this test. Can someone please direct me? Thanks!
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jim
7 months ago

I’m having trouble finding the dispersion chart in this study. Can someone please point me there.?
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Nathan F.
8 months ago

Can someone please make a recommendation? I’m willing to compromise on the driver. I have 103 (mid) driver swing speed and want below average spin numbers (as low as practicable) on the driver. However, I also want above average spin numbers on the irons, and higher spin numbers on the wedge. Can you recommend a few balls that might fit that? I can’t use these graphs or tables very well on my phone. Thank you!
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Aidan King
4 months ago

I was on the same boat as you and mostly use Maxfli Tour X. ProV1x is similar to me but almost 2x the price
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Paul
8 months ago

How is the Taylor Made Tour response not the best ball of the bunch. It has longest carry of the soft balls with the lowest driver spin. And on the next metric that matters (spin within 35 yards) it is in the top chunk off 75% of balls that are all about the same before it drops off
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Linley
8 months ago

Maxfli Tour X used to be the longest in the slow to mid off the Driver…Is that still the case ?
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Tony
8 months ago

My driver avg distance is about 225 and 7 iron about 150 yards, I consider this slow and your own data says this is the largest group of golfers yet you have ZERO information on this swing speed. Your swing speed gapping for testing is to large. It should be 116, 105, 95, and below 85; you’ve left out a huge swath of everyday golfers
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Rick
8 months ago

when you’re swinging that slow, the ball really doesn’t matter. Better to concentrate on how to swing properly and learn how to swing faster. No healthy male under 80 should be swinging under 95. Watch some Paul Wilson videos on Youtube and use his tips.
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Dave Carnley
8 months ago

Rick–I assume you are not 80—- with many senior golfers with hip and knee replacements and sever spine arthritis — your comment that all should have swing speeds above 95– is not grounded in reality and given such, not sure of your point.

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Mike
5 months ago

BS! I guess not everyone is fortunate enough to be as talented as you.

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Dennis Beach
4 months ago

I have not swung much above 85mph the entire time I have played this game, since 1998! I play soft golf balls, and I keep up with much faster swingers in my group! Not everyone is that talented, or just can’t swing that fast! I am 69 years old, but just never could swing faster than 85ish. Started playing later in life…

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Ken
8 months ago

I would like to see you test Oncore balls. I found them to out perform Titleist at a significantly lower price. Also, one of the owners is NFL MVP Josh Allen, so there should be some interest.
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The Old Pro
9 months ago

Why does your slowest swing speed tested result in tee shots of over 220 yards? You own data says the biggest percentage of golfers hit it 200-224. There are a HUGE number of golfers that hit tee shots under 200 yards. There should absolutely be a category for people who hit tee shots 180 yards.
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Tony
8 months ago

My driver avg distance is about 225 and 7 iron about 150 yards, I consider this slow and your own data says this is the largest group of golfers yet you have ZERO information on this swing speed. Your swing speed gapping for testing is to large. It should be 116, 105, 95, and below 85; you’ve left out a huge swath of everyday golfers.
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Richard
8 months ago

The ‘Environmental Conditions’ part at the beginning of the article covers this. They tested in Scottsdale, Arizona (high altitude) at 105F ambient temp. That heat and altitude combo results in some thin air that boosts carry distance, which they said in the article.
Look at swing speed numbers for comparison, not distance results.
I think they should try to run next year’s test at something closer to sea level to see how the ball flights work in normal air, but I know they have to go where they can get the robot time (currently in Scottsdale).
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Trevor Ferguson
8 months ago

This is robot testing, therefore the ball is generally hit in the center of a square face. Most golfers rarely have this level of efficiency. Even if they swing FASTER than what is required to hit it 220 yds, if they (…you) don’t hit it in the center of the face and square, you will have poor efficiency and will undoubtedly lose a ton of yardage. I play with many guys who swing 115-120 mph every time. Sometimes they hit it 350 yds, sometimes 290. It all comes down to efficiency.
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Aidan King
4 months ago

They aren’t running a golf swing test, this is about ball data. When you miss the center of the face most of the variables are club dependant (forgiveness vs workability). The point of this test is to give you a base line of how balls perform with all things being equal.
I play TM P7MB irons so I know that I am losing 15 yards on a missed shot regardless of the ball. But these tests gave me the info to know how it will perform when I hit it well 80-90% of the time. I was a ProV1/V1x guy for 15 years until I saw the Maxfli numbers in 2023. That winter I tested the Tour X vs the V1x all winter and got almost identical numbers but now save 40% on my ball budget.

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Russ Wyborski
9 months ago

Using your results I tried the Maxfli Tour S balls. My swing speed is basically in-between low and mid. I played one of my best rounds of the season with them yesterday. Coincidence? Maybe. We’ll see how the rest of the season plays out.
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Momo
9 months ago

thanks for the data.
someone needs to scrub your data entries as the bar chart and the table data numbers are different. I only checked total distance for most titleist and a few other balls but none matched. they are kinda in the same relative order but all different numbers. The engineer and accountant in me has trouble sleeping seeing that.
Also I think the slow iron total number for ProV1x at 122… is incorrect. I think it should be 132… your mid speed data and 2023 ball test would agree).
I do love the addition of a few mid to lower priced balls (velocity, utlispeed and Supersoft…). thanks for that. and as always for slow swing speeds.
And of course our course, swings and clubs will have different results as somehow the longest ball for me is the ProV1x. but as a slow swing speeder the long balls listed that I’ve played are close.
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joe
9 months ago

Tony…always love the ball report. But…Your ‘low swing speed’ isn’t that low. There are A LOT of golfers below 86mph. Does your conclusion that ‘even low speed golfers benefit from a firmer ball’ still hold w/ women/Seniors who swing at <70mph? The interesting question is… is there a point (mph) under which golfers would gain distance switching to a softer ball? ie is there a point (mph) in which a ProV1 is too hard? (…ie that slow swingers can't compress it.) Version to version the conclusions from your reports don't really change or add much knowledge to the field. You've expanded the impact of it by adding things like wet ball, more cheaper balls, etc. In the future, you could grow the impact of your report by changing the specs to study the effects at very slow swing speeds eg 65mph. maybe…65mph instead of 86mph or studying 65mph with only a few balls (across the range of compression) or studying a couple of balls of varying compressions across the full range of robotic swing speeds (40mph to 140mph)
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Bob
9 months ago

I appreciate the data at the end. The Tableau interactive graph was a nice touch. Cheers!
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Ken
9 months ago

For next year (or even this year), suggest adding to the table average retail price for a dozen balls for comparison reasons. I was looking at the Wilson Staff Model X, but realized they’re essentially the same price as ProV1x with similar results. From a manufacturing quality perspective, the ProV1x would likely be the better overall value considering consistency in manufacturing quality until proven otherwise with a comparison of Wilson quality control review.
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Vic
9 months ago

Why no sidespin, multilayer balls brag about spin off a wedge and reduced spin off a driver, even the robot should be generating some spin.
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SteveC
9 months ago

I see your tests were conducted at 105 degrees. Would results tend to be linear at about 80–85 degrees? So a top performer at 105 would still be top at 85? Thanks for all the effort that goes into this testing.
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Steve O
9 months ago

Question: Mid-speed, Driver, ball speed section. Under observations it states, “Once again, the Titleist Tour Soft stands out as a surprising performer.”
But that ball is not shown in the graph. Am I missing something?
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Fred White
9 months ago

Bar Graphs overstate the difference between balls, a 2 yard difference appears to much larger than the one percent difference.
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Gary
9 months ago

Love this data. Also get a kick out of the keyboard warriors (one in particular) who know “so much more than y’all”. Too bad they don’t work for MGS (tongue in cheek). I want a ball that spins the most and flies the highest off the 7i for Mid speed so it can stop better on the greens. Same ball needs to have good Driver flight carry. The charts allow me to compare balls for these specs. While I can play different balls, it’s harder to “see” the differences. Also we all know we don’t hit every shot the same, so our our “real life” doesn’t aways help. I also want good spin greenside, so I love the 35y wedge data. Thanks TC and team for enduring our Arizona heat to bring this to us. YTB!
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Jon C
9 months ago

From my perspective this test was very accurate. I have tested several balls looking for the best one to fit with my new driver and what I wanted greenside. Somewhat of a compromise but the best ball for me was the Titleist AVX beating out the Super Soft, Tru Feel, Q Star Tour and MaxFli Tour S.
Was heartened to see the AVX was a recommended ball for slow swing speeds. My driver is around 82. Three of the other balls fared well on the test as well. After about 20 rounds the AVX has held up well with distance and not punishing me too much when I get some sidespin. The descriptions of the balls mentioned fit with my experience. That has not always been the case. Glad you included the top selling Ionomer balls. Great job!
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WYBob
9 months ago

This is great data and I appreciate all the hard work the M